English Stones

MichaelS

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The stone was bought in China a very long time ago, the round stone measures about one inch diameter, it is a musket ball and dates from around 1640. The polished blue stone is the final stone that I use in smoothing gold pen nibs.View attachment 112447View attachment 112448
Nice photo, ancestor of today's very fine 'Chinese 12k stone'? That musket ball would have caused quite some damage! I've always used Micromesh 12k for smoothening pen nibs but I'll look into trying some razor finishing hones instead (Micromesh is horribly expensive and wears out quick), great idea thanks!
 

Vacumatic

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Nice photo, ancestor of today's very fine 'Chinese 12k stone'? That musket ball would have caused quite some damage! I've always used Micromesh 12k for smoothening pen nibs but I'll look into trying some razor finishing hones instead (Micromesh is horribly expensive and wears out quick), great idea thanks!
The musket ball was found at the side of the Thames a few years ago, a treasured find.

A skilled and professional nib expert uses stones such as Arkansas stones but he reshapes nibs more than I do. I use very smooth stones, feels around 1000 grit moving on to polished flint and then polished stones. I have used polished copper/brass/aluminium in the past, they all work well. I haven't been for a while but B and Q used to sell Chinese polished river stones in the gardening section, all sorts of sizes and colours, used for decorative purposes but just as useful for nib smoothing and a few other purposes too.
 

cotedupy

Guru
The stone was bought in China a very long time ago, the round stone measures about one inch diameter, it is a musket ball and dates from around 1640. The polished blue stone is the final stone that I use in smoothing gold pen nibs.View attachment 112447View attachment 112448
Very cool! I always wondered whether you could use agate for anything like this. Could you use on a razor for final polishing? Or is it just not going to do anything at all to hardened steel?
 

cotedupy

Guru
Amazing amount of stone info posted here of late..
This is the type of thread where ATG excels, we all learn something from the expertise of others. It prompted me to clean up my stones and appreciate them a little more.
Glad you've enjoyed guys! Though you don't want to get me started on Washitas and Turkish Oilstones... :wink:

No English stones, but I'd dearly love a Charnley
I'll give a shout if I'm looking to move one on at any point. With the exception of Washitas and Turkish I don't tend to hoard millions of examples of particular stones, and occasionally have a cull to free up space, and get funds for new stuff.

If memory serves, which it often doesn't anymore, weren't Charnley's used with oil?
They were, yep; oil makes pretty much any stone a bit quicker, though with CFs the difference isn't as noticeable as with some. Because of that I tend to use with water, and start with slurry to speed them up instead, as obviously you can't really use a slurry stone with oil.
 

cotedupy

Guru
Any experience with the Covenant stones from the Negev of Israel, The Zulu Grey's from South Africa, or the new ones from the mine on private property in France.. Black Beauty? I'll get the proper name...?

I'm sorry.. Black Shadow..

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Getting proper niche now! :).

I have a few small koppa of the Convenant stones, which are mega-fine, final finishing touches type thing. I must give a proper go at some point, as my razor honing is now probably just about good enough to use quite small stones. They're way too fine for what I like on knife edges.

Haven't used the other two, BB reviews seem to be positive, though I presume they've been sending a lot of samples out to people, and it's a bit difficult to be negative. And would quite like to try a ZG at some point, they also seem to have a good reputation.

(There was actually an old Pike Barber's Hone called 'Black Beauty' I think.)
 
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MichaelS

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I have the Zulu Grey, which works very well for me as a final finisher, I'll pull out and post.

I'm unsure what to think of the new, in-house stones from 1STONE ('Black Shadow', 'Green Shadow', 'La Lune', their own 'hybrid coticules') and haven't tried any. Waiting for more reviews.....

 

cotedupy

Guru
My Charnley finishing hone, 9 x 1.5 inches, rough cut, hard/glassy, dark green with black spots. I use with oil and it gives a very fine edge.

Very nice... always good to see examples without all those gaudy red streaks that people go in for!

It's interesting too because even though it doesn't have them, there's still something about the look that is very Charnley. The way the markings are on Idwals is just a bit different; less cloudy, more defined.
 
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Mastropiero

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@Mastropiero , welcome to the geek club :), looking forward to your future contributions and photos please, thanks! :wink:
I appreciate the welcome but I am afraid I would be a source of continuos disappointment. I own but two natural stones, and 95% of the time I only use my Escher. I do love to read about them, but I'd much rather keep the variables in check and get proficient with one stone only.

Will stick around though, definitely. 😉
 
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