Felt blocks, felt pads and stropping

Lord Fatboy

Forgo Mud !
Anyone use a felt pad? I'd found it good for post-shave drying with a soft linen strop afterwards, and it does seem after honing to 'tighten' up and edge. My latigo strop is a little touch oily and the felt removes that too, though some think a little oil from a strop a good thing. I'd seen them alongside chef knives, so I bought a 99p sign writers pad, which is the same thing, and have been experimenting for a few months now. I don't mean felt strops, but solid felt blocks used by chefs and knife manufacturers.
EDIT -
Pulling the blade through the felt is useful for drying and removing bits of CroX etc. I think it has a further use - after I come off a finisher, pull the blade through the felt and then go to the strop, it often feels - on the leather strop - like I have already done say 10 laps on linen. At other times, stropping with the leather component and I feel the edge isn't quite "there" pulling the razor through the felt block, far from hurting the edge, often does the trick - makes the edge look slightly 'tighter' & brighter under x60 magnification.
I've tried taking a totally finished & stropped blade, shaving with it and then not stropping it for the next shave. The shave, on the first pass, was not very good as you can imagine. Pulling it through the felt block then yielded a far better second pass.
I haven't explained this very well from the start - doing some digging last night I did find some brief mention of them on B & B, but I also saw that 'Dr Matt' has 2 short videos, each from 2015 about felt blocks and indeed sells them - via a CKTG page. He explains it better than I have thus far, whatever you think about his methods.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CL4okt-QxA


Here is the item I use itself, or similar:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FELT-BLO...660414?hash=item5b40b57f7e:g:Y0gAAOSwGUBaDTB2
It's similar to pulling it through wood or cork or rubber, but they almost certainly hurt the edge, felt does not in my experience. Maybe give it a try and decide whether it's icing or gravy or neither.
(other video - 2.10 onwards,
a better explanation)
View: https://youtu.be/q1EQgEDUPEk?t=2m13s
 
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DukeCity

Forum GOD!
Never liked felt. It’s a good substrate for pastes or sprays. Linen or Cotten work better for me in maintaining the edge from anecdotal use. Felt was available back in the heyday of straight shaving but almost all strop makers and barbers used linen or Cotten. That kind of speak for itself.
 

R181

Grumpy old man
I have a hanging felt strop that I used to use for drying the blade edge but have since sprayed it with crox. Seems to work in either use. I now use a linen hanging strop to dry the edge.

Bob
 

Lord Fatboy

Forgo Mud !
Watch what he does from 0.50 onward. I'd seen solid blocks of felt sold next to chef knives for removing 'burrs' (variously defined), and my cousin also uses one (He is a chef and calls it a "short" strop) so thought I'd try one with razors - the "pull through" action only of course, not stropping on one. Some chefs, for the pull through, coat the area they pull the blade through in diamond spray or paste or various compounds, but most - in my limited experience - use them as is.
They are usually 5-10 Euros but a sign writers / vinyl sign applicator block is the same thing only cheaper.
Is this not a 'thing' in SR honing and stropping? I'd assumed... (maybe feel a little foolish, or at least lonely, LOL :D ). I'm sure I've seen them discussed on B & B, but maybe I misunderstood a conversation about regular felt 'long' strops.
I've been experimenting regularly with it for six months, on and off since I started honing 2ish years ago.
They are cheap enough to be worth fooling around with.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dz9OvWYXvI

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FELT-BLO...660414?hash=item5b40b57f7e:g:Y0gAAOSwGUBaDTB2
 
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R181

Grumpy old man
I have never seen a felt stop used like that at 0.50 in straight razor honing. Personally, I'd hesitate to do so with a straight razor as there is a lot less meat behind the edge on a straight razor blade than a chef's knife.

The idea in straight razor honing is not to raise a burr. If I think I may have raised a burr I do a stroke or two spine leading on the hone followed by a couple of normal strokes.

Bob
 

MichaelS

Forum GOD!
A felt bench strop, (same as putting a felt hanging strop on a table edge I think)! What result did you get with your razor? Did you go back to stropping afterwards?
 

UKRob

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Neil Miller used to sell a paddle strop system that included a felt element. From memory I think he advised using it for diamond sprays.
 

Lord Fatboy

Forgo Mud !
Pulling the blade through the felt is useful for drying and removing bits of CroX etc. I think it has a further use - after I come off a finisher, pull the blade through the felt and then go to the strop, it feels - on the leather strop - like I have already done say 10 laps on linen. At other times, stropping with the leather component and I feel the edge isn't quite "there" pulling the razor through the felt block, far from hurting the edge, often does the trick - makes the edge look slightly 'tighter' & brighter under x60 magnification.
I've tried taking a totally finished & stropped blade, shaving with it and then not stropping it for the next shave. The shave, on the first pass, was not very good as you can imagine. Pulling it through the felt block then yielded a far better second pass.
I haven't explained this very well from the start - doing some digging last night I did find some brief mention of them on B & B, but I also saw that 'Dr Matt' has 2 short videos, each from 2015 about felt blocks and indeed sells them - via a CKTG page. He explains it better than I have thus far, whatever you think about his methods.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CL4okt-QxA


Here is the item I use itself, or similar:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FELT-BLO...660414?hash=item5b40b57f7e:g:Y0gAAOSwGUBaDTB2
It's similar to pulling it through wood or cork or rubber, but they almost certainly hurt the edge, felt does not in my experience. Maybe give it a try and decide whether it's icing or gravy or neither.
(other video - 2.10 onwards,
a better explanation)
View: https://youtu.be/q1EQgEDUPEk?t=2m13s
This has all been added to the OP
 
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R181

Grumpy old man
To be honest you lost me at the mention of Dr Matt.

When I am done on a hone I wipe the blade off using toilet paper in a stropping spine to edge movement. I do the same after the crox also. In effect I believe that would be similar to your use of the felt pads.

I always strop on linen before leather and generally the blade feels right on the leather.

Bob
 

MichaelS

Forum GOD!
Pow! Dr Matt's enthusiasm is infectious!

Seriously Robin, looks very interesting, never heard of this before. I'll order a block and add to my list of 'things to try'. Thanks for sharing.
 

JamieM

Extreme sharpness is ephemeral!
I get the felt block thing even though I wouldn't try it myself, when I served my Carpenetry & Joinery apprenticeship about 100 years ago :happy: for the first year that's all we seemed to do was sharpen our chisels plane irons and set out and sharpen our saws, and the last thing we would do to our chisels after sharpening them would be run the chisel edge across a piece of soft wood just like the felt block to rid the honed chisel of the foil bur or feather edge call it what you will.
 

R181

Grumpy old man
I get the felt block thing even though I wouldn't try it myself, when I served my Carpenetry & Joinery apprenticeship about 100 years ago :happy: for the first year that's all we seemed to do was sharpen our chisels plane irons and set out and sharpen our saws, and the last thing we would do to our chisels after sharpening them would be run the chisel edge across a piece of soft wood just like the felt block to rid the honed chisel of the foil bur or feather edge call it what you will.
At least you weren't on the same course as JC. :happy: Is there a reason you would not try it on a straight razor blade?

Bob
 

JamieM

Extreme sharpness is ephemeral!
Bob, the reason I wouldn't try this with a razor, well firstly a chisel is a hell of a robust piece of steel with a single bevel so a foil edge goes with the territory especially as you never went past a 1200 Indian oil stone, on the other hand we are going up to 12K and 20K edges I look at my razor edges regular when honing and just don't see that foil or feather edge he's talking about.
 
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